[11:13am] jj0hns0n: google analytics + amazon web services for spatial … yes a dashboard ):)
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[11:13am] sophiap: but 'enterprise'?
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[11:13am] jj0hns0n: what does enterprise mean to you sophiap
[11:13am] jj0hns0n: to me, its a meaningless buzzword
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[11:14am] jj0hns0n: jfee there are some esri centric tools
[11:14am] jfee: sophiap: she asked for new names, you got one?
[11:14am] sophiap: yeah, I think y'all should drop the 'enterprise'
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[11:14am] jj0hns0n: I dont disagree
[11:14am] jfee: just call it "console"?
[11:14am] jj0hns0n: ^ sophiap
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[11:14am] sophiap: hah, geoconsole - lame
[11:15am] jj0hns0n: spatialITconsole
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[11:15am] jj0hns0n: but yeah, I suppose the term enterprise has some connotation that may turn people off
[11:15am] sophiap: Analytic Console
[11:15am] jfee: We aren't doing CamelCase anymore of course
[11:15am] jj0hns0n: remember that there it the whole amazon web services console side of things that help you do deployments and tuning
[11:16am] sophiap: enterprise is from the noughts, it's a new decade
[11:16am] • jj0hns0n agrees
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[11:17am] sophiap: C4Geo
[11:17am] jj0hns0n: as much as I hate the term, Spatial IT seems to resonate with people pretty quickly
[11:17am] sophiap: I'm of the spatial is not special school
[11:17am] jj0hns0n: yeah, its just a type of IT
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[11:18am] sophiap: hence, C4 is closer to what it is
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[11:18am] jfee: as a consultant I get more hourly rate when I do "enterprise"
[11:18am] chelm: I got here late what are we talking about now?
[11:18am] sophiap: words, words, words
[11:18am] jj0hns0n: jfee yes
[11:18am] jj0hns0n: not today, but yes
[11:18am] juanmarin: yes
[11:19am] chelm: so tis just watching logs?
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[11:19am] sophiap: Is it WMS/WFS only?
[11:19am] chelm: i'd like to see it
[11:19am] jj0hns0n: no
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[11:19am] jj0hns0n: it does geogit  too soon 
[11:19am] sophiap: or is it any map server
[11:20am] jj0hns0n: (quietly) doing ESRI too
[11:20am] jj0hns0n: and others (mapserver etc)
[11:20am] sophiap: how about random tile servers? CartoDB, etc
[11:20am] tmcw: hm, can't see that.. anyone else?
[11:20am] jj0hns0n: yes
[11:20am] tmcw: ah, there we are
[11:20am] gisn8: that was temporary
[11:20am] jj0hns0n: TMS logs
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[11:20am] jj0hns0n: all that stuff is in progress and we arent really talking loudly about it, but yes
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[11:20am] jfee: it will look better later if you watch it again, not sure why google looks like crap
[11:21am] jj0hns0n: but tmcw, we would love to add a collector to mapbox
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[11:21am] chelm: I like it
[11:21am] jj0hns0n: should be easy
[11:21am] tmcw: catching up late, very unclear what this is.
[11:21am] juanmarin: architecture allows for us to collect any type of request stats
[11:21am] tmcw: geographical stats?
[11:21am] sophiap: Yeah, a configurable setup for any map server would be intersting
[11:22am] jj0hns0n: thats the idea sophiap
[11:22am] chelm: i think its watching requests
[11:22am] juanmarin: yes
[11:22am] hiebert: You get client-side errors too?
[11:22am] jj0hns0n: obviously just watching geoserver now
[11:22am] bdollins_: very nice
[11:22am] jj0hns0n: and like I said, quietly doing ESRI collector
[11:22am] juanmarin: yes, because that server hosts open layers examples, etc
[11:22am] tmcw: er, not sure if the volume of mapbox would work here
[11:22am] juanmarin: define "volume of mapbox"
[11:22am] sophiap: looks like google analytics
[11:22am] hiebert: Ahh cool
[11:22am] jj0hns0n: it is google analytics + the aws console
[11:23am] jj0hns0n: but none of the deployment stuff is in this demo server yet
[11:23am] jj0hns0n: but think puppet, chef etc
[11:23am] sophiap: ambitious! I like it!
[11:23am] jj0hns0n: sophiap I havent even told you about the ambitious stuff yet 
[11:23am] mpillai: buttons are cool.
[11:23am] jj0hns0n: http://live.openstreetmap.fr/ < think this with geogit 
[11:24am] bdollins_: I've lost of how many times customers have asked for this type of information. Nice work!
[11:24am] bdollins_: *track
[11:24am] sophiap: oh, cool
[11:25am] jj0hns0n:
[11:25am] tmcw: juanmarin: at this point processing logs is requiring a pretty hadoop + multiple boxes type pipeline
[11:25am] jj0hns0n: tmcw we need to get you guys on the geogit train
[11:25am] jj0hns0n: not for log processing 
[11:25am] tmcw: jj0hns0n: I haven't looked at geogit since before it had code
[11:25am] tmcw: saw that it got a bit of code, but... is it still java?
[11:25am] jj0hns0n: I want y'all do to a node.js implementation
[11:26am] jj0hns0n: we are focused on collaborating on the network protocol
[11:26am] sophiap: something like this would be a cool add on http://www.snipe.net/2013/03/itemized-client-billing-aws-pivottables/
[11:26am] jj0hns0n: not necessarily on our java implementation
[11:26am] jj0hns0n: java+geotools that is
[11:26am] David__: Makes sense for Spatial Data Infrastructures (SDI)
[11:26am] jj0hns0n: Im personally starting on a go implementation 
[11:26am] jfee: console.opengeo.org to sign up for beta
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[11:27am] bdollins_: sophiap - exactly
[11:27am] tmcw: jj0hns0n: where's the best place to read up on it?
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[11:27am] jj0hns0n: I have a HUGE todo item to update this site
[11:27am] jj0hns0n: https://sites.google.com/a/opengeo.org/geogit-project-guide/
[11:27am] jj0hns0n: its horribly out of date now
[11:27am] sophiap: so do I need geoserver for the beta?
[11:27am] jj0hns0n: but I will get you up to date on the current CLI if you want
[11:27am] jj0hns0n: sophiap today yes
[11:27am] jj0hns0n: but lets talk
[11:28am] juanmarin: sophiap: right now, yes
[11:28am] juanmarin: but it's open to other tech
[11:28am] sophiap: good question jfee
[11:28am] jj0hns0n: give us a use case and we will do it with ya
[11:28am] jj0hns0n: sophiap I will help you write a collector for your own infrastructure … you too tmcw
[11:28am] sophiap: what does the monitoring console use for a database?
[11:29am] jj0hns0n: its SaaS
[11:29am] jj0hns0n: jfee ^
[11:29am] juanmarin: it's SaaS
[11:29am] tmcw: jj0hns0n: hm, okay will read through this - my big question would be what level this is at and it's not super clear
[11:29am] chelm: wat
[11:29am] jj0hns0n: its usable now
[11:29am] tmcw: plus, afeered of anything that even references something like wfs sync
[11:29am] jj0hns0n: on the cli
[11:29am] jj0hns0n: thats what I said, this is WAY out of date
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[11:29am] jj0hns0n: the cli works just like git
[11:29am] jj0hns0n: lemme find some other docs
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[11:29am] jj0hns0n: tmcw https://github.com/opengeo/GeoGit/tree/master/doc/manpages/source
[11:30am] jj0hns0n: that is much more up to date
[11:30am] jj0hns0n: it works with wfs, but does not rely on it at all
[11:30am] tmcw: y, finding that even 'touching' ogc specs will pollute ideas
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[11:31am] Alex_: aquiHire your way to openess
[11:32am] chelm: hah
[11:32am] chelm: its us trying to have fun actually
[11:32am] Alex_: do you have the fun geoloqi office in the mountains Chris?
[11:33am] chelm: well yes thats me
[11:33am] Alex_: Denver needs an Esri R&D office like DC and Porlandia.
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[11:34am] sophiap: hate to say it, but OGC is legacy
[11:34am] chelm: it's amazing the how high the push to be more open has actually gone (in esri) but its mostly on trying to open the mindset of developers
[11:35am] Alex_: Red Hatify Esri!
[11:35am] jj0hns0n: ogc is not just legacy, its becoming irrelevant
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[11:35am] jj0hns0n: thats harsh coming from an OpenGeo employee, but its true
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[11:35am] sophiap: so wither OpenGeo and geoserver?
[11:36am] sophiap: geogit?
[11:36am] jj0hns0n: sophiap yes
[11:36am] jj0hns0n: I have to be careful what I say, but yes
[11:36am] jj0hns0n:
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[11:37am] sophiap: glad you are open jj0hns0n
[11:37am] jj0hns0n: I have a hard time _not_ being open
[11:38am] jj0hns0n: which is why I turned in my clearance 
[11:38am] hiebert: if your customers are government then they have little motivation to compete... they just need something that meets their needs.
[11:38am] mpillai: Open means being able to download and Geoserver, use it for free for a year, and then having the option of going to OpenGeo or a similar company for a support contract at our whim.
[11:38am] sophiap: brave of you to let go of your meal ticket
[11:39am] jj0hns0n: it wasnt much of a meal ticket
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[11:39am] jfee: next topic, women in GIS.  Are there any?
[11:39am] jj0hns0n: yes, there are
[11:39am] jj0hns0n: !
[11:39am] juanmarin: yes, a bunch
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[11:40am] sophiap: Want to compliment awright for having Haruki Murakami's IQ84 on her bookshelf
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[11:42am] chelm: uh oh
[11:43am] chelm: any large org is
[11:44am] jj0hns0n: this is a dead horse now
[11:44am] chelm: yar
[11:45am] sophiap: horse, it's what's for lunch
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[11:45am] lizlyon: HERE! Holla!
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[11:46am] jj0hns0n: lizlyon !
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[11:48am] pramsey: Lots of women in GIS, go to any state GIS conference, go to ESRI UC. Not so much in FOSS4G. Why so?
[11:49am] sophiap: coding
[11:49am] juanmarin: FOSS4G is more developer centric, inherits the gender gap present in that space
[11:49am] mpriour: shocking how few women developers there are
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[11:50am] geopdx: Pretty much true at most developer conferences. OSCON really has to try hard to get women
[11:50am] pramsey: we should have it easier than general IT, because so many women are sitting at the threshold as GIS practitioners...
[11:50am] sophiap: geo is at the bottom of the developer hierarchy, will start seeing women infiltrate from web devs
[11:51am] Alex_: codeacademy
[11:51am] sophiap: GIS/ESRI promoted button pushing, not spatial reasoning or coding
[11:51am] geopdx: I have met many developers whom are women. Not many go to events.
[11:52am] Alex_: well. COTS will always be embraced by the majority of their user base
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[11:52am] Gretchen_: What to do about it? How about some high-fives to the women coders out there? lyzidiamond...virtual h-5!
[11:52am] sophiap: Also, it's tough to go to a conference if you don't have child care
[11:52am] geopdx: not sure how that relates to women sophiap?
[11:53am] gisn8: I've got five daughters (and a son) and over the summer I'm hoping to get them doing Code Academy. (Or at least the four kids that aren't teething).
[11:53am] sophiap: response to pramsey
[11:53am] geopdx: got you
[11:53am] sophiap: GIS people maybe technically savvy, but they don't go into the code
[11:54am] Alex_: AMEN... she hit the nail on the head
[11:54am] Alex_: its all about street cred
[11:54am] mpriour: I don't think there is a single woman contributor to openlayers or leaflet
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[11:56am] geopdx: <sophiap> You are overgeneralizing. There are yes, many people that don't but you are defining "GIS people" soley into that category
[11:56am] mpriour: geopdx, the child care issue is very important to women conf attendance. they are still the primary child care takers in 80%+ of households
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[11:57am] mpriour: geopdx, they likely are working but are also responsible for the kids, even if they are in day-care or school
[11:57am] geopdx: mprior, I totally agree on that point. I was responding to an earlier point.
[11:57am] sophiap: geopdx, yes I'm overgeneralizing, but go to any local GIS meet up and you will find that this is a common pattern
[11:57am] mpriour: geopdx: yeah irc is bad for threaded conversations
[11:58am] lyzidiamond: oh hi Gretchen_!
[11:59am] lyzidiamond: I <3 getting more women to code. PyLadies ftw!
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[11:59am] sophiap: just becoming a coder will not solve the problem
[12:00pm] lyzidiamond: There has been a geo offshoot of PyLadies PDX too, which has been rad. Helping each other learn webmapping, scripting, etc
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[12:01pm] geopdx: sophiap, point taken. I would not ague that those folks don't exist. They often have a seperate focus other than GIS. They are forestry, ag, or some other dicipline first.  How many hardcore devs have a focus on ocenography. I find women in GIS tend to fit this category
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[12:01pm] sophiap: geopdx, agreed.
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[12:03pm] sophiap: ugh, FOS4GNA has a dearth of women speakers
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[12:04pm] Gretchen_: Sounds like a good analysis idea.
[12:04pm] FrankW_G: If access to lists.osgeo.org archives would be helpful I am happy to facilitate.
[12:05pm] geopdx: agree that that would be great
[12:06pm] sophiap: good idea http://sproke.blogspot.com/2009/05/paleogeography-vs-neography.html
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[12:06pm] FrankW_G: geographic / cultural diversity is certainly also an issue.
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[12:08pm] geopdx: it would be great to find out where people are, cultural background, different expertise areas.
[12:08pm] FrankW_G: It is hard to tell gender in email.
[12:08pm] geopdx: how about a questionaire?
[12:09pm] sophiap: attaching demographics to email addresses would be a start