[10:47am] • jfee is disappointed people who "celebrate" DST have no idea when they go on DST...
[10:48am] TheSteve0-dt: Uh oh  here comes trouble
[10:48am] TheSteve0-dt: jfee:  I don't think anyone celebrates
[10:48am] TheSteve0-dt: jfee I would like to just stay on DST all year round
[10:48am] TheSteve0-dt: We are no longer agricultural based so I could care less about dark mornings - though chelm might complain
[10:49am] chelm: it is colder now that the sun is not up on the bike ride to work
[10:49am] jfee: sounds complicated...
[10:49am] chelm: and by work I mean my farm, as I am agriculturally based
[10:50am] TheSteve0-dt: chelm:  seems like your farm should be right there at your house
[10:50am] chelm: at least my chickens started laying again
[10:50am] TheSteve0-dt: chelm:  that is thanks to DST
[10:50am] chelm:
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[10:50am] chelm: all thanks to magical time changes
[10:50am] TheSteve0-dt: jfee:  this should better be good or I am going to demand a refund
[10:51am] TheSteve0-dt: Jfee nothing showing on the blog
[10:51am] jfee: hit refresh?
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[10:51am] TheSteve0-dt: jfee:  just did
[10:51am] jfee: hit refresh?
[10:52am] TheSteve0-dt: jfee:  got it
[10:52am] TheSteve0-dt: jfee:  I am the one armed pickle man - now give me some candy!
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[10:54am] TheSteve0-dt: I would just like it noted that chelm, FrankW_, and I are the only guests that show up for other people  - we are not #HWJF posers
[10:55am] chelm: I am total poser
[10:55am] chelm: I just forgot to sign out in my irc client
[10:55am] TheSteve0-dt: so then you must quit  chelm - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRxrO7ya4Q
[10:56am] chelm: love it
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[11:00am] TheSteve0-dt: Yo jfee my clock is showing 11 - let's get this party started
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[11:00am] TheSteve0-dt: jfee:  can we get a little service around here
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[11:02am] jfee: we're live
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[11:03am] TheSteve0-dt: Did jfee just come in from playing golf?
[11:04am] chelm: what else is he doing these days
[11:04am] TheSteve0-dt: wait what are these apps? Some background jfee?
[11:05am] jfee: http://www.fastcolabs.com/3006725/open-company/depth-comparison-between-ios-map-frameworks-apple-mapkit-vs-google-maps-sdk
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[11:08am] gletham: yay, finally found the link for the chat...
[11:08am] TheSteve0-dt: bFlood:  wake up!!!
[11:09am] Rick__: Wish the whole US did away with standard time.  Would make coordination a lot easier!
[11:10am] gletham: fulcrum on iOS totally rocks!
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[11:11am] chelm: what about digging snow pits in the backcountry?
[11:11am] AlexMahrou: bump
[11:12am] TheSteve0-dt: jfee:  you forget about writing your code in VBscript
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[11:12am] AlexMahrou: I wonder about post-processing?
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[11:15am] gletham: Geoint in Tampa? ughhh, worst conference location ever, dam
[11:16am] geo_will: what's the 'cool' conference now?
[11:16am] geo_will: foss4g?
[11:16am] ManAboutCouch: State Of The Map?
[11:16am] gletham: heard of a new event today, "The Internet of Things event"... unsure wtf its about though!
[11:16am] AlexMahrou: the unfoncerence. the one you haven't heard of
[11:17am] colemanm: state of the map is an awesome event
[11:17am] gletham: sotm looks awesome... wherecamp 5280 was pretty darned awesome too!
[11:17am] chelm: so unhip jfee
[11:17am] colemanm: Portland was tons of fun
[11:17am] ManAboutCouch: Missed the last few SotMs, but was at #2 and #3
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[11:18am] gletham: State of The Map USA, San Fran June 8-9, 2013 - http://blog.gisuser.com/2013/02/18/state-of-the-map-usa-san-fran-june-8-9-2013/
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[11:19am] colemanm: Fee, Jr.
[11:19am] ManAboutCouch: SotM Global is in Birmingham this year (the UK one, not Alabama)
[11:19am] gletham: luv san fran, so easy to get there and get around - cheap hotels too!
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[11:20am] gletham: geoDC looked great.. Anthony are you a planner of that event?
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[11:21am] TheSteve0-dt: chelm:  just like what happened for js.geo
[11:21am] chelm: just gotta have Timoney
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[11:22am] TheSteve0-dt: chelm:  exactly
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[11:22am] chelm: was pretty easy
[11:22am] chelm: you just have to not care
[11:22am] TheSteve0-dt: Events are def a biz model
[11:22am] gletham: there you go WhereCamp AZ at JAmes' house! bring your swim suit!
[11:23am] chelm: we need kate and kelso for that right
[11:24am] Rick__: There are some benefits to living where it snows
[11:24am] jfee: http://gizmodo.com/5991141/the-most-accurate-map-of-college-basketball-fandom
[11:25am] gletham: Gonzaga upsets this year... #ImCallingit
[11:26am] TheSteve0-dt: it is based on where they went to school
[11:26am] chelm: is a #1 an upset gletham?
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[11:27am] jfee: TheSteve0-dt: that can't be true
[11:27am] TheSteve0-dt: and they are reducing everything to a binary variable
[11:27am] TheSteve0-dt: there is no gradient
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[11:28am] gletham: luv this one (and a heat map too) What Geography Can Teach Us About Basketball http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/03/06/mapping_the_nba_how_geography_can_teach_players_where_to_shoot.html
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[11:29am] ManAboutCouch: Hexagon Binning is the new black, well, will be after JavaScript
[11:29am] philip__: ucla?
[11:30am] Guest5677: Kansas
[11:30am] TheSteve0-dt: bc you grew up in SoCal jfee
[11:30am] philip__: stop picking while your drinking bourbon
[11:30am] philip__: you're
[11:30am] ChrisMcClain: fill out your geobracket here http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/en/group?groupID=148067&entryID=3103092
[11:30am] gletham: I wanted to watch NCAA last night but we had friggin curling on TV here.. goddam canada!
[11:30am] • ManAboutCouch prefers rugby
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[11:31am] • cocoahero prefers bowling
[11:31am] AD: that's lame
[11:33am] jfee: http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2013/03/18/mapps-proposes-geospatial-user-fee/
[11:33am] ChrisMcClain: To line MAPPS members pockets
[11:34am] TheSteve0-dt: "know" is a euphamism right?
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[11:34am] FrankW_G: Know - in the biblical sense?
[11:34am] TheSteve0-dt: or in a bribing sense
[11:35am] sophiap: Umm, why do we pay taxes?
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[11:36am] ChrisMcClain: MAPPS is afraid of open source model because it is detrimental to their bussiness model
[11:36am] TheSteve0-dt: Dude - MckeyD had multitudes of reports of 3rd degree burns from their coffee and yet chose to keep that hot to save $$
[11:36am] ManAboutCouch: Warm vs Cold geography
[11:37am] TheSteve0-dt: their fine was less than 2 days of profit (not revenue - profit)
[11:37am] ManAboutCouch: (Warm - made by people who care, Cold - designed to spec)
[11:38am] donm: No guarantees. Lottery money does not go to edu, no matter what the gov says.
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[11:39am] TheSteve0-dt: I have a blog post brewing on this topic
[11:39am] TheSteve0-dt: it is closely linked to the Aaron swartz issue
[11:40am] TheSteve0-dt: In our country we believe data and information produced with govt money should be free
[11:40am] TheSteve0-dt: we need to change the model of costs
[11:40am] gletham: I bet the USGS still buys their own data on CDs from the gisdatadepot!! WOW
[11:40am] TheSteve0-dt: They should share once and we should redistribute
[11:40am] geo_will: its cheaper to give away than to sell
[11:40am] sophiap: we need to change the government - vendor relationship in procurement
[11:41am] DonnyV: Not sure why they don't setup a torrent server and call it a day
[11:41am] gletham: Government needs to be the platform that they are meant to be and enable developers... so simple
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[11:42am] gletham: I want to go down to my local city hall and say hi I'd like to buy some GIS basemap data please and see the blank stares!!
[11:42am] sophiap: gletham: government needs to service more than developers
[11:43am] geo_will: i donk think the model is business related, but fear related
[11:43am] AlexMahrou: ahem Jefferson County Colorado
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[11:43am] TheSteve0-dt: I also think they have no idea how to share it
[11:43am] TheSteve0-dt: once it is in SDE - how do they share it easily if they have lived in the ESRI world all their life
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[11:44am] geo_will: they could use tony's github account
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[11:44am] geo_will: is there any word on geogit?
[11:44am] gletham: Jason Birch and the gang in Nanaimo have done a really nice job... a good example http://data.nanaimo.ca/
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[11:45am] ChrisMcClain: The road blocks tend to be put up by policies setup by people who don't understand teh tech
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[11:47am] TheSteve0-dt: That is bc you are blacklisted Tony
[11:48am] gletham: it's somehat little know but the guys at Zvenza and their PDF Map mobile solution is actually very good for mobile data collection on iPad as well.. surprisingly effective!
[11:48am] sophiap: We should play the enterprise/mobile drinking game
[11:48am] gletham: oops sorry I meant Avenza
[11:48am] DruidSmith: Some of the issues in mobile data collection involve collection of potentially sensitive data (PII, enforcement/litigation sensitive etc) - in some cases, encryption or security is needed
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[11:48am] AlexMahrou: its correlated with the change in form factor and adoption of the form factors
[11:49am] DruidSmith: Also, good means of seamlessly pushing data back into whatever weird and disparate backend systems that folks may have
[11:49am] ChrisMcClain: Mobile conectivity and speed has been the controling factor in  in mobile Data colection interaction
[11:49am] DruidSmith: Data may need to go through workflows for vetting - operational data (ER) vs. data that one can publish readily...
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[11:49am] AlexMahrou: ChrisMcClain, absolutely. Infrastructure is the limiting factor
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[11:50am] DruidSmith: Connectivity can be an issue - connected vs. disconnected, cache etc...
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[11:50am] ChrisMcClain: and cost of connectivity
[11:51am] AlexMahrou: nomadic has been the best for us. Realtime is toooo troublesome for dynamic field activity
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[11:53am] ChrisMcClain: Also depends on where your backend is big issue - Cloud vs local.
[11:53am] DruidSmith: Lots of areas in US that still don't have good coverage - and often they are the ones that have the worst data
[11:54am] DruidSmith: Alaska basemaps are often misregistered and untrustworthy for example - field GPS data will not align.
[11:54am] geo_will: lots os spaces up here in teh frozen north with no connectivity
[11:54am] geo_will: iridium does a decent data burst by satellite now
[11:54am] AlexMahrou: yeah either too many subscibers (sf or ny) or not enough cell towers (midwest)
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[11:55am] DruidSmith: Agree - there are some areas here around DC where 3G and 4-5 bars light up but network is completely overwhelmed and unusable.
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[11:57am] tmcw: cool!
[11:57am] gletham: oh dang, I'm craving a hot dog now... thanks!
[11:57am] DruidSmith: In DC our food trucks tweet their locations 
[11:58am] gletham: sweet!
[11:58am] AlexMahrou: lol
[11:58am] ChrisMcClain: he only drinks Coke not Pepsi
[11:58am] gletham: Giants fans dont eat hotdogs they eat freakin sushi!! ahkk
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[11:59am] TheSteve0-dt: gletham:  in addition to Hot Dogs
[11:59am] DruidSmith: No coke.  Pepsi.  Cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger.
[11:59am] TheSteve0-dt: oh and we eat other teams for lunch
[11:59am] DruidSmith: http://foodtruckfiesta.com/
[11:59am] AlexMahrou: thanks!
[11:59am] DruidSmith: Thanks
[11:59am] ManAboutCouch: Thanks all
[11:59am] jfee: Thanks guys!
[12:00pm] TheSteve0-dt: nicely done!
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[12:00pm] scooter: Thanks guys.
[12:00pm] geo_will: awesome!
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[12:00pm] DruidSmith: ^ was DC food truck map which works via twitter updates
[12:00pm] DruidSmith: Good stuff on mobile!
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